Sunday, June 16, 2013

The Grammar Debate: Can we have some common sense please?

So my younger brother is what people call a "Grammar Nazi" (although I'm not too keen on the terminology). He absolutely relishes the chance to correct anyone if they try to qualify supreme adjectives, like my mum when she accidentally said "very empty" and gets really annoyed when someone says less when describing a countable noun when they should say fewer. This is all very well and good, but the problem is his strict adherence to the rules of grammar and his usage of it for superiority. As an English student, this obviously gets to me...

Correct grammar and spelling are important, they maintain our coherence and prevent language from spiralling. Of course, the influence of different dialects has influenced this, causing words to change their usage: "Where's me book?" for example. But for the most part, people ARE aware of correct forms and uses. Those of us who do use formal grammar on a regular basis, however (I myself have lost most dialect forms having lived and studied in at least three different English counties) can still be caught by these adamant rule-enforcers for perfectly acceptable forms, simply because they are not following the code to the letter:

Me: It doesn't matter. It will take us less than five minutes to get home.
Brother: It's fewer. Fewer than five minutes.

Now, in theory, he's perfectly within his rights to correct me here, but in practice, there is also a logical justification for using "less" in this context. He believed that because it was a quantifiable noun, that "minutes" should always be referred to as "fewer". Fine, I'll agree to the theory. However, in my own opinion, "less" is perfectly acceptable because although there were five minutes in question, that time period itself is a single entity, it is one seamless stretch of time. It can be divided, but cannot be split as time will continue regardless of when one minute ends and the next begins. A perfectly logical conclusion to explain a now common use of this particular structure, no? Apparently not. After being shot down about this, you can imagine how it made my blood boil. I am not advocating the use of the word "less" to replace "fewer" in all cases. Saying "less people" is not comparable to "less time" as it assumes that the people concerned could be amalgamated into one mass.  

I like to think that I speak and write very well. Admittedly, under the influence of tiredness, nerves or duress, I find it hard to string sentences together, but in general I am completely coherent and speak with correct grammatical structures. But as a student of the literature that encompasses this language, I also understand that a certain flexibility is required. This is not to say that we should abandon our grammatical principles completely. They are important, but as with all languages, there are exceptions to these principles. The French have a body known as the Académie Française, which acts as the official regulator for the French language, and from what I can tell, if we had a similar institution in our country, they would officially recognise certain forms such as the one I used and set the record straight (although with Michael Gove at the helm, I wouldn't hold my breath)

So to all those Enforcers out there: You can carry on removing unnecessary qualifiers, and changing them when they really are wrong. Go ahead and fix my spelling and tell people where they've used the wrong form or "Your/You're" or "Their/They're/There". But I ask you, no, I implore you to remember that there can be perfectly logical exceptions. Our language will evolve and require things to change, so I advise you to use your powers for good, not simply to p*** off the rest of us to feel good about your "superior" language knowledge. It's called common sense. There are structures that should be corrected and others that are acceptable, so learn to know the difference, please.

3 comments:

  1. Aha! A debate I can speak on with some knowledge, being a languages' student!

    With regards to 'less' and 'fewer', I would agree with you that grammatically it's 'less than 5 minutes' rather than 'fewer'. By the same token it's 'less than £5' over 'fewer than £5', since that would suggest the cost can't involve pennies, only whole pounds.

    But why should it matter? There is no distinction between quantifiable nouns and whatever the other ones are called (anybody know?) with "less and fewer"'s opposite, 'more', so the argument that the distinction exists just for coherency is inconsistent, since the point is perfectly clear either way.

    'Fewer' is coming closer and closer to disappearing from English, which is no reflection on the state of the language or of its speakers as a whole.

    HOWEVER (should there be a comma here or not? There wouldn't be in German, but there would be in Russian and English grammar sits somewhere between the two in this regard.) what is significant is that whether you use 'fewer' or 'less' with quantifiable nouns reflects on you personally. Your brother has made a judgment on you for using 'less', but it goes both ways, so the people with whom he speaks will make a judgment of him because he says 'fewer'. Whether that judgment is kind or disdainful he can't help, but both are possible.

    Ultimately, any solution is valid as long as the grammar meets the coherency requirement. That often leaves several possibilities for you to say, but each one is loaded. Everyone is judging everyone else for tiny things like this, even if they won't admit it.

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  2. True. Perhaps that's why I was so angry at his adamant dismissal of my comment, perhaps my brain triggered at the fact he was criticising my personal choice to use "less". There's probably a point that because we are siblings we get more touchy about being judged by one another also. In issues of choice there will always be judgement. You make an excellent point.

    I've already spoken to my friend who is an English Linguist (who has worked closely with David Crystal) and he has said a very similar thing about the possibility for both. What you say about coherency is also true, but does this require deciding where the boundary of coherency is? It's a difficult balance to strike I suppose.

    Thanks for the response. Always good to get people more informed than I am to contribute :)

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  3. Do you need to always consider the boundary of coherency? Usually, no, that's how language changes, by abandoning the existing rules for ease's sake. But obviously there are situations when you really shouldn't abandon them, whether for practical reasons (e.g. the 'Let's eat, Grandma' dilemma) or because it's socially inappropriate (you wouldn't use slang in a job interview, nor would you say 'inter-personal skills' amongst friends).

    No problem, I hang around with you guys for the same reason!

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